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okay i have $$$ build me a new pc please
Topic Started: May 15 2013, 05:03 PM (967 Views)
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May 19 2013, 07:03 PM
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May 19 2013, 05:26 PM
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May 19 2013, 03:56 PM
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May 19 2013, 03:38 PM
hey ezra 250 watt psu pcie x16 best gfx card link me naow
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/hd-graphics/hd-graphics-developer.html

There ya go.
i dont understand
intel integrated [built into the CPU/Mobo] lol. You can't really do anything better than what is already on your board. I've tried it on computers with the same wattage psu. Once they're under load the computer just shuts down instantly due to PSU overload.. You'll need a PSU upgrade. Not a way around it, unfortunately. Unless you get a card that requires external power and buy a PSU just for that lol. That may work but idk. Won't look good either and won't fit in your case if its a slimline.
i already have an intel integrated chipset doe its like a g31something idk
Honestly after looking at your chipset, you're best just saving to get a new computer, preferably build one, imo. Yours is good for just basic use, especially since it's a slimline. Also the max memory a G31 chipset supports is 4GB, which is really limiting for todays standards. I easily break 4GB's just in chrome tabs.. Just start savin your cash. You can build a decent gaming pc for as little as $400-$500 depending on the pricing of hardware, with room to upgrade.
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May 19 2013, 02:32 PM
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May 16 2013, 07:45 PM
k, this should be final then if your needs are "java + multiple internet browsers and other programs"

same case, more efficient power supply, more powerful ram, more powerful processor, good motherboard unlike hpt-41's sketchy one, 7770 video card for multiple monitors and free far cry 3, 1TB of storage, and added an SSD so all the windows/browsers are completely lag-free and boot time is under 10 seconds


case: 60

power supply: 60

processor: 247

motherboard: 63

video card: 140

ram: 70

SSD: 80

hard drive: 75

disk drive: 18

total: $813
-not including sales/discounts on any parts, no mouse, no keyboard, and no wifi card, but leaving ~$200 for a good 27" monitor
2500k is a few years old.. why not the 3570k? It's also 30$+ cheaper, and runs at an extra .10ghz lol.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B007SZ0E1K/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1368989841&sr=1-1&keywords=i5-3570k

I'd probably leave the SSD out, imo. I see lots of people have probs if they're under 120GB. You run out of space, especially if you don't have the option to save stuff elsewhere. Like the application doesn't let you. I installed every update one could for w7 on my laptop and ran out of space on a 320GB drive. But if you do get an SSD, go for an intel 520 series. Lowest failure rate there is among SSD's.

For the power supply, I'd just stick with the 630w Rosewill I listed earlier. They both have a single 12v rail and aren't much different, except one has more wattage. I feel a 430 is too limiting for upgrades, as most GPU's require a minimum 500watt PSU. A 630 will give you the headroom. Also I have that 630 PSU in my build. My PC runs 24/7 and its silent and solid voltages. [Used multimeter, doesn't flux.]

If you ditch the SSD and you still wanna hit that 800$ headroom though, get a Radeon HD 7870. You'll be able to play any game you want on max-ultra settings at 60hz. That is the same card I have and it is silent, unless you kick the fan up to 100%. Playing BF3 on max settings, I believe it goes to 47% and its still quiet. Just a bit of some advice on GPU's, don't get a cheesy one with a small fan. Those small fans are notorius for going out and being very loud and annoying. Typically the bigger the fan the more quiet it can be. Bigger fans can go slower RPM's and still move mass amounts of air.

As for the case, get this. A friend of mine has it and it is the best damn cheapest case you will ever find. Its painted on the inside also and bottom mount PSU. I wouldn't go for corsair unless you've got some extra cash and you truly want legit quality. [polished/brushed aluminium, no plastic, etc] Otherwise that NZXT is the best you can get for the price, especially since your board doesn't have a USB3 header anyway[unless you pick one that does]. Idk, never really been much of a case fanatic. lol. IF it works and seems good, I don't care. My board has USB3 but not a header for it. Don't use the USB3 anyway so it doesn't matter in my use. However that case only has a single fan on the back. Just make it an exhaust and it should be sufficient as that case has vents and spots for up to 7 fans I believe, for the future. If you want more fans though then I'd recommend these. From my experience in the past, CM uses delta fans which are typically used in servers.. delta and nidec. Ya they're 44CFM but if you don't have dust filters, they do good.
pls. enough with the 3570k and the $240 gfx cards

3570k has unnecessary integrated graphics. look at any benchmarks of both processors, look at any price/performance comparisons, look at how high you can overclock the 2500k (a friend of mine got it to 5.0GHz easy on a Hyper 212 evo, and prime95 stable for 5 mins lmfao).
-side note, if it's $10 cheaper then the difference is really so small it wouldn't matter, but from what I've seen the 2500k would be worth just an extra $10. I'm definitely not saying the 3570k is bad.

SSD is perfect for this guy's build when he just said he won't really be doing heavy gaming, but more ram, processor, and multiple program activities. sure, get a 128gb intel ssd, whatever - ctu can choose. I haven't never heard of any said problems with under 120gb SSDs, but that's just looking at newegg reviews I guess. I have no personal experience with low sizes so I can't talk, I have a crucial 128gb ssd but I still just use it as a boot drive. no problems ever.

and again, ctu can choose which power supply and case he wants, doesn't really matter
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3570k has unnecessary integrated graphics. look at any benchmarks of both processors, look at any price/performance comparisons, look at how high you can overclock the 2500k (a friend of mine got it to 5.0GHz easy on a Hyper 212 evo, and prime95 stable for 5 mins lmfao).
-side note, if it's $10 cheaper then the difference is really so small it wouldn't matter, but from what I've seen the 2500k would be worth just an extra $10. I'm definitely not saying the 3570k is bad.
Been thinking about that 212 heatsink.. need something else for my CPU. Shit runs hot under load and I aint buyin no 80$ corsair shit.. or any overpriced liquid cooling for that matter.

But new shit is cheaper.. why would you want the 2 year old model and pay more for it?.. Sorry I am just having trouble understanding that, especially if the performance is practically the same. Not that the 2500k is bad either, just wondering. Also seems they overclock the same.. on a note, intel has it phased out, EOL status.

2500
http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

3570
http://ark.intel.com/products/65520

2500k has 95w TDP where as the 3570k has a lower TDP at 77w, so slightly less heat. Not to mention since its not EOL, you'll probably find better chipsets for it since the socket it uses is more current. Seems old AM2 motherboards still rock hardware from 2009 instead of newer generation, such as not having GB NIC's and still having SATA 2.0 or PCIE 2.0, even though its a board from 2012 or 2013.

The main reason I'd only go with the new one is because of chipset support currently. They'll be a bit cheaper for better quality boards. Another thing I just noticed is memory difference. One supports natively 1066/1333, other supports natively 1333/1600, but usually that is handled by the chipset and bios settings. Older boards typically cost more. They do this to prevent people from buying new, older boards and move onto new technology. You'd think it would be cheaper but its a shame they do it that way.

EDIT: My friend has a 64GB SSD and is always running out of space because some applications won't allow you to chose their destination.. otherwise it wouldn't be much of a prob.
Edited by HPT-41, May 19 2013, 09:26 PM.
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it's been like 15 mins, holy shit dude. 3570k or 2500k doesn't really matter. I guess better futureproofing would be buying the 3570k. from what I've seen in real life performance situations from friends that own both, the 2500k performs better. really doesn't need an essay.


o sup it's released as I typed. sure, the dude can buy a 3570k for $10 less. my point still stands with the unnecessary gfx and SSD tho
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it's been like 15 mins, holy shit dude. 3570k or 2500k doesn't really matter. I guess better futureproofing would be buying the 3570k. from what I've seen in real life performance situations from friends that own both, the 2500k performs better. really doesn't need an essay.
Eating and typing. Your friend probably had a bad mobo or a cheap low quality compared to the other.. Example an AMD 760G chipset would bottleneck the FUCK out of my other hardware.

As for the essay, I'm trying to SHOW you that its better to get a 3570 compared to the 2500. Same perf, but newer shit and cheaper.
Edited by HPT-41, May 19 2013, 09:34 PM.
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Also, http://www.microcenter.com/product/388577/Core_i5_3570K_34GHz_LGA_1155_Processor

Now 189, up from the 169 it was a day or two ago.
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May 19 2013, 09:23 PM
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May 19 2013, 08:55 PM
3570k has unnecessary integrated graphics. look at any benchmarks of both processors, look at any price/performance comparisons, look at how high you can overclock the 2500k (a friend of mine got it to 5.0GHz easy on a Hyper 212 evo, and prime95 stable for 5 mins lmfao).
-side note, if it's $10 cheaper then the difference is really so small it wouldn't matter, but from what I've seen the 2500k would be worth just an extra $10. I'm definitely not saying the 3570k is bad.
Been thinking about that 212 heatsink.. need something else for my CPU. Shit runs hot under load and I aint buyin no 80$ corsair shit.. or any overpriced liquid cooling for that matter.

But new shit is cheaper.. why would you want the 2 year old model and pay more for it?.. Sorry I am just having trouble understanding that, especially if the performance is practically the same. Not that the 2500k is bad either, just wondering. Also seems they overclock the same.. on a note, intel has it phased out, EOL status.

2500
http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

3570
http://ark.intel.com/products/65520

2500k has 95w TDP where as the 3570k has a lower TDP at 77w, so slightly less heat. Not to mention since its not EOL, you'll probably find better chipsets for it since the socket it uses is more current. Seems old AM2 motherboards still rock hardware from 2009 instead of newer generation, such as not having GB NIC's and still having SATA 2.0 or PCIE 2.0, even though its a board from 2012 or 2013.

The main reason I'd only go with the new one is because of chipset support currently. They'll be a bit cheaper for better quality boards. Another thing I just noticed is memory difference. One supports natively 1066/1333, other supports natively 1333/1600, but usually that is handled by the chipset and bios settings. Older boards typically cost more. They do this to prevent people from buying new, older boards and move onto new technology. You'd think it would be cheaper but its a shame they do it that way.

EDIT: My friend has a 64GB SSD and is always running out of space because some applications won't allow you to chose their destination.. otherwise it wouldn't be much of a prob.
Ive never had an Intel desktop its always been AMD. Intel better than AMD ?
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May 20 2013, 07:29 PM
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May 19 2013, 09:23 PM
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May 19 2013, 08:55 PM
3570k has unnecessary integrated graphics. look at any benchmarks of both processors, look at any price/performance comparisons, look at how high you can overclock the 2500k (a friend of mine got it to 5.0GHz easy on a Hyper 212 evo, and prime95 stable for 5 mins lmfao).
-side note, if it's $10 cheaper then the difference is really so small it wouldn't matter, but from what I've seen the 2500k would be worth just an extra $10. I'm definitely not saying the 3570k is bad.
Been thinking about that 212 heatsink.. need something else for my CPU. Shit runs hot under load and I aint buyin no 80$ corsair shit.. or any overpriced liquid cooling for that matter.

But new shit is cheaper.. why would you want the 2 year old model and pay more for it?.. Sorry I am just having trouble understanding that, especially if the performance is practically the same. Not that the 2500k is bad either, just wondering. Also seems they overclock the same.. on a note, intel has it phased out, EOL status.

2500
http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

3570
http://ark.intel.com/products/65520

2500k has 95w TDP where as the 3570k has a lower TDP at 77w, so slightly less heat. Not to mention since its not EOL, you'll probably find better chipsets for it since the socket it uses is more current. Seems old AM2 motherboards still rock hardware from 2009 instead of newer generation, such as not having GB NIC's and still having SATA 2.0 or PCIE 2.0, even though its a board from 2012 or 2013.

The main reason I'd only go with the new one is because of chipset support currently. They'll be a bit cheaper for better quality boards. Another thing I just noticed is memory difference. One supports natively 1066/1333, other supports natively 1333/1600, but usually that is handled by the chipset and bios settings. Older boards typically cost more. They do this to prevent people from buying new, older boards and move onto new technology. You'd think it would be cheaper but its a shame they do it that way.

EDIT: My friend has a 64GB SSD and is always running out of space because some applications won't allow you to chose their destination.. otherwise it wouldn't be much of a prob.
Ive never had an Intel desktop its always been AMD. Intel better than AMD ?
For nothing but raw processing power, yes. AMD is excellent for budget, however.
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power supply: 70

processor: 200

cooler: 36

motherboard: 110

ram: 73

ssd: 140

case: 100

hard drive: 75

disk drive: 18

graphics card: 140

total: 962
-not including sales, etc blablablabla same as before
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ordered the PC i didnt have to buy shit that expensive. spent around 630 ill post the parts later.
Edited by ctupro2, Jun 1 2013, 10:47 AM.
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cool. usually whenver people post their budget I just use the whole thing up but definitely doesn't mean that';s what you have to buy. just trying to help out xd
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